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Agree this is the most bullish count I can see there, others are quite bearishBullBear52x wrote:$CCI is not looking so healthy here, bad for commodities.
My take is that it is best to see events like that, data releases, Fed Meetings, as possible pivot points for the market or stock, whatever. You should be prepared for an effect either way but not bias yourself one way or the other. When TA people say "New doesn't matter" I think they need to explain further. Obviously the news can move markets but they are correct that a trader should not try to front run the news with a specific outcome in mind. My opinion FWIW...jademann wrote:Does it make sense to only consider technical charts and not to also consider the real world fundermental effects such as the sequestration failure this weekend?
you mention two key ideas . (1) a trader should not try to front run the news with a specific outcome in mind. and (2) you should be prepared for an effect either way--but not bias yourself one way or another. this is pretty much how one should be all the time.StudentBill wrote:My take is that it is best to see events like that, data releases, Fed Meetings, as possible pivot points for the market or stock, whatever. You should be prepared for an effect either way but not bias yourself one way or the other. When TA people say "New doesn't matter" I think they need to explain further. Obviously the news can move markets but they are correct that a trader should not try to front run the news with a specific outcome in mind. My opinion FWIW...jademann wrote:Does it make sense to only consider technical charts and not to also consider the real world fundermental effects such as the sequestration failure this weekend?
Thanks. I think you are correct that you should always be totally aware and in that ready to act state, that is ideal. But for someone who might not be really day trading or have access to charts or accounts all day long being aware of possible time based catalysts for market action and creating a plan,for either bull or bear outcome, might be a good strategy.taggard wrote:you mention two key ideas . (1) a trader should not try to front run the news with a specific outcome in mind. and (2) you should be prepared for an effect either way--but not bias yourself one way or another. this is pretty much how one should be all the time.StudentBill wrote:My take is that it is best to see events like that, data releases, Fed Meetings, as possible pivot points for the market or stock, whatever. You should be prepared for an effect either way but not bias yourself one way or the other. When TA people say "New doesn't matter" I think they need to explain further. Obviously the news can move markets but they are correct that a trader should not try to front run the news with a specific outcome in mind. My opinion FWIW...jademann wrote:Does it make sense to only consider technical charts and not to also consider the real world fundermental effects such as the sequestration failure this weekend?
the problem is the number and type of events that influence market action--we have news--political events-- forced shortcovering at various times of the day--seasonal factors and so on that are to me like news events. on one hand it's totally valid to note they have effects--but in actual trading this is surprisingly hard to use. since you have to respond after the news and in the way the market takes the news. so the focus shifts from the news to the traders mind
if one can approach these pivots with an empty mind and act very quickly--then they could be of value--no matter if they are news seasonal market internal based--but if you put a gun to my head (and it always feels like somebody when you are messing around out there) i would argue that internal preparation of the trader is of more value than knowing pivots. as is seen frequently in the odd case of everyone having the same data and for whatever reason (would love to see more discussion of this) only a few traders making great use of it. or put yet another way--everything is in the price action if we can only calm down and see it. in effect you are describing the state i should be in all the time.
specifically "news doesn't matter" (to me) refers to the idea that "it's not the news release--it's the meaning attributed by the market--as defined in price action just after the release--that matters"
you bring up interesting points/good luck with your trading
Excellent commentsjademann wrote:Harapa,
Thanks for the charts. they look good but I still dont know what you mean without
1. what the axis are plotting ....... and/or
2. a few words to explain whether I should buy hold or sell according to whether I see green red or crossover.
This comment applies to the most of the charts posted here unfortunately.. and even if you post it once that doesnt mean we all know what it means going forward..
harapa I reread your post about how VIX determines direction .. Friday VXX was green yet the markets up!