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very interesting model. the wlig is not completely fundamental, its use of the yield curve and the stock market can be seen as technical. i wonder if one can improve on this by using some components of the wlig such as initial jobless claims and adding some other such as rail traffic, commodity prices, and elements from the Aruoba-Diebold-Scotti bussiness conditions index: http://www.philadelphiafed.org/research ... ons-index/.Harapa wrote:Here is some information on WLI/WLIG based model that I mentioned yesterday (click on the links in the document to learn more about the model).This model is in sell mode since Jun 1st. Historically, an interim low occurred 20-30 trading days after a basic sell signal, followed by an up move that peaked around day 65, and then came the plunge .
Please note charts below are copy/reproduction of the original work reported by G. Vrba.
Average Perfromace after Sell Basic Individualized Performance of all signals since 1968 And this is what happened after day 65. Odd are heavily stacked against any substantial gains. This time, trading day 20-30 corresponds to June 29-Jul 13.
Caveat: Last year markets started to fall after day 50 (making it the first failure of the system). This also led to revision of the model (by the author) to initiate sell after 7 days of initial signal. Also to note that signals from this models are for long term investment. However, these can be helpful in ST trading.
Combing short term signals generated by VIX (that I have posted in the day trader forum here) or currency SWAP with signals from this model show an interesting pattern. Long trades initiated by the ST setups (VIX or CS) perform substantially better when WLIg based model is in “Buy” mode and short trades do exceptionally well when the model is in “Sell” mode. Table below lists cumulative returns under various combinations. *CS = Currency Swap, based on EURUSD or AUDUSD pairs.
VIX, CS signals derived from hourly data, WLIg signals on daily basis. ST signals last from few hours to few days. Although these setups are for ST trading, the time horizon does get extended in protracted up or down moves (to your benefit).
Periods Analyzed: VIX-May 2007-Present,# of L+S trades=114, B&H Return: -10% (as of close of 6/28/12)
CS - Jan 2009-Present, # of L+S trades=116, B&H Return: 41% (as of close of 6/28/12)
If your find this model interesting and would like to know more about this I will be glad to answer any questions you may have.
WLI is constructed using stock prices, interest rate, unemployment data, commodity prices, etc (exact composition of the WLI is not disclosed to public). However, some folks have figured out the matrix. Check this site for postpartum of WLI (http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/). In there you will also see discussions on other economic indicator/measures as a guide to predict the state of US economy (including Aruoba-Diebold-Scotti business conditions index ). Also, Regular updates of WLIg model are posted on this site (access to site and information is free).ocassional observer wrote: very interesting model. the wlig is not completely fundamental, its use of the yield curve and the stock market can be seen as technical. i wonder if one can improve on this by using some components of the wlig such as initial jobless claims and adding some other such as rail traffic, commodity prices, and elements from the Aruoba-Diebold-Scotti bussiness conditions index: http://www.philadelphiafed.org/research ... ons-index/.
DrAl. Converted Equity funds outflow into a graph. Estimated last week of june based upon last three weeks. I added the chart. Tell me what it means?Al_Dente wrote:Happy Canada Day to Cobra and all Canadians !
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Sector view: The far left column shows Friday's leaders in the appropriate order: spain, BOOZE, germany, oy
Hovering over the chart icon just next to the ranking numbers = bolinger chart
Clicking anywhere takes u deeper and deeper
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“Equity funds had estimated outflows of $1.52 billion for the week” [edit: week ending 6/20]
http://www.ici.org/research/stats/flows/flows_06_27_12
X……….mmmmm… As you well know, MF flows are used as contrary indicators.xfradnex wrote:DrAl. Converted Equity funds outflow into a graph. Estimated last week of june based upon last three weeks. I added the chart. Tell me what it means?Al_Dente wrote:“Equity funds had estimated outflows of $1.52 billion for the week” [edit: week ending 6/20]
http://www.ici.org/research/stats/flows/flows_06_27_12
Al_Dente wrote:X……….mmmmm… As you well know, MF flows are used as contrary indicators.xfradnex wrote:DrAl. Converted Equity funds outflow into a graph. Estimated last week of june based upon last three weeks. I added the chart. Tell me what it means?Al_Dente wrote:“Equity funds had estimated outflows of $1.52 billion for the week” [edit: week ending 6/20]
http://www.ici.org/research/stats/flows/flows_06_27_12
(e.g.: mutual fund investors “”historically”” jump into equities near mkt tops and bail out near bottoms).
Problem is that MFs are so unpopular these days that this can be used as only one of many flow indicators…
I’m having a hard time telling these apart: THE THREE BLUE LINES….
I think I’m seeing “total equity” buys (blue) near the 4/2011 mark, and approaching the 2008 levels, with bond “sells” down from Feb highs, but I’m not sure of my “read” on all the blue lines…… the rest, including the important red eq line, just goes honey-badger on my eyeballs (MY bad)….
How to make it a simpler, easier-on-the-eyeballs read ?
Also, FWIW…here are the May margin interest numbers for that cool spy overlay chart u worked up 4 us a while back
http://www.nyxdata.com/nysedata/asp/fac ... category=8
but it looks like NYX changed up the data format on us... I hate exchange data that is REALLY LATE and really screwy (?)
Your last chart on margin interest showed how important that data is: e.g.: a spy high that is not supported with additional long margin interest
is a REAL top…. but what good is that info when it is sooooo stale???
If anyone can find more current data on margin interest, PLEASE post.
Ps: X: yr diligence is impressive, and much appreciated
xfradnex wrote:Al_Dente wrote:X……….mmmmm… As you well know, MF flows are used as contrary indicators.xfradnex wrote:DrAl. Converted Equity funds outflow into a graph. Estimated last week of june based upon last three weeks. I added the chart. Tell me what it means?Al_Dente wrote:“Equity funds had estimated outflows of $1.52 billion for the week” [edit: week ending 6/20]
http://www.ici.org/research/stats/flows/flows_06_27_12
(e.g.: mutual fund investors “”historically”” jump into equities near mkt tops and bail out near bottoms).
Problem is that MFs are so unpopular these days that this can be used as only one of many flow indicators…
I’m having a hard time telling these apart: THE THREE BLUE LINES….
I think I’m seeing “total equity” buys (blue) near the 4/2011 mark, and approaching the 2008 levels, with bond “sells” down from Feb highs, but I’m not sure of my “read” on all the blue lines…… the rest, including the important red eq line, just goes honey-badger on my eyeballs (MY bad)….
How to make it a simpler, easier-on-the-eyeballs read ?
Also, FWIW…here are the May margin interest numbers for that cool spy overlay chart u worked up 4 us a while back
http://www.nyxdata.com/nysedata/asp/fac ... category=8
but it looks like NYX changed up the data format on us... I hate exchange data that is REALLY LATE and really screwy (?)
Your last chart on margin interest showed how important that data is: e.g.: a spy high that is not supported with additional long margin interest
is a REAL top…. but what good is that info when it is sooooo stale???
If anyone can find more current data on margin interest, PLEASE post.
Ps: X: yr diligence is impressive, and much appreciated
Update chart
Got yr update MF chart. Yup, I totally screwed up, now I see the top line is SPX (duh, right)xfradnex wrote:Update chartAl_Dente wrote:X……….mmmmm… As you well know, MF flows are used as contrary indicators.(e.g.: mutual fund investors “”historically”” jump into equities near mkt tops and bail out near bottoms)xfradnex wrote:DrAl. Converted Equity funds outflow into a graph. Estimated last week of june based upon last three weeks. I added the chart. Tell me what it means?Al_Dente wrote:“Equity funds had estimated outflows of $1.52 billion for the week” [edit: week ending 6/20]
http://www.ici.org/research/stats/flows/flows_06_27_12
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So seeing good things from bad things should be the way I treat my trading errors...
Norton wouldn't help this kind of hack. Server is meant to be hacked. Nobody knows when cobrasmarketview.com would get hacked. The good news is the next time, I'd have a little more experiences to respond.xfradnex wrote:Cobra wrote:sorry guys, I was busy with my other server. got hacked and unbelievably I had to pay all the bandwidth being used by the spam, not a small money, really frustrating.
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So seeing good things from bad things should be the way I treat my trading errors...
Sorry to hear. . I have Norton, it will not find anything.
Thank you. Looks like domestic equities need to reach peaks to signal a market down turn. . Sometimes.Al_Dente wrote:Got yr update MF chart. Yup, I totally screwed up, now I see the top line is SPX (duh, right)xfradnex wrote:Update chartAl_Dente wrote:X……….mmmmm… As you well know, MF flows are used as contrary indicators.(e.g.: mutual fund investors “”historically”” jump into equities near mkt tops and bail out near bottoms)xfradnex wrote:DrAl. Converted Equity funds outflow into a graph. Estimated last week of june based upon last three weeks. I added the chart. Tell me what it means?Al_Dente wrote:“Equity funds had estimated outflows of $1.52 billion for the week” [edit: week ending 6/20]
http://www.ici.org/research/stats/flows/flows_06_27_12
Okay then here is my “read” at the moment, only bcuz u asked me
My red-arrow channel lines imply that MFs have been “roughly” selling equity (your “domestic equity” line), albeit with bounces, since 5/2009.
Then from 8/2011, the green-arrow uptrend channel to today (drawn to connect your “domestic equity” points),
show that MFs have been channel buying equity.
And my blue arrow line shows they have been selling bond funds since Feb this year (or “swapping” out of bond funds into stock funds).
If (IF, IF) MFs persist in longing equities, a contrarian would call that a bear-spy signal, intermediate term, and the signal would get stronger if the buying continues up to touch the top of the red downtrend-channel line.
[IMHO ….. BIG grain-of-salt……..Also, sorry, I have extremely imprecise drawing tools on Jing screencasts…]
THANKS X
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It looks like the blue line is lossing upward momentum. If there was a blue down turn, it would be telling. It still is following a less dramatic Oct 07 senario. I think that Credit balances in margins accounts first would have to be higher for the crash and burn senario.Al_Dente wrote:PAGING XFRADNEX
re yr updated MARGIN INTEREST chart
margin debt (your blue line) did NOT confirm the last SPX high
that is bearish (one month old).
do u have a different "read" on it?
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