Transcript:
Elizabeth Burton, Goldman Sachs Asset Management
September 19, 2023 8:30am by Barry Ritholtz
https://ritholtz.com/2023/09/transcript ... th-burton/
Barry Ritholtz: This week on the podcast, I have an extra special guest. Elizabeth Burton is Goldman Sachs asset management’s client investment strategist. Previously she was Chief Investment Officer at various state pension funds, including Maryland and Hawaii. I, I found this to be really an intriguing conversation with somebody who, whose investment charge is unconstrained. She can go anywhere, do anything. She provides advice to institutions in high net worth investors that isn’t limited by the typical buckets or lines or structure that you, you so often see. Her job is portfolio and product solutions and that means she could go anywhere in the world and do anything.
00:47:05
... Goldman would probably say they were aggressively neutral on, on bonds
00:47:47
... Aggressively neutral, right? The next three to three to 12 months because there is still some duration risk.
00:48:25
... Goldman says there’s a 20% chance of recession in the coming 2024 and we may see rate cuts in the back half of 2024.
How do you respond to, I have to think clients are asking about duration at this point. What’s your response to people who shortened duration a few years ago and, and we’re very successful because of it?
00:49:51
... Right? So I do get asked quite a bit, when can we start adding duration back to the portfolio? It’s probably the third biggest question that I, I have been getting in 2023. A lot of clients weren’t able to shorten their duration. Some were, some can take advantage of, of two years, right? And you could get a pretty good return there, but some couldn’t. It’s not in their investment policy or they didn’t want the reinvestment risk, right? So some are still holding onto those long bonds portfolio. But what I would say is I would, I would look to see where you could add duration, but I would be cautious. There’s still risk to the upside on rates. And the other part of that, I would say that let’s say inflation is coming down and it’s moderating, it’s, it’s coming down from a very high level, but it’s not coming down to zero.
00:50:30
...Right? So we could see a 3% level for a while.
00:52:38
... Alright. So you said the duration question is the third most asked question you get from institutional investors? Yes. I’m curious, what, what are questions one and two?
00:52:51
... So number one would be give me ideas on how to raise liquidity in my portfolio. And,
00:52:56
... And this is mostly from institutional investors.
00:53:00
... So when someone says, I want more liquidity, I, is this because they’re kind of tied up with long dated bonds, or is it more because they’re, they’re tied up with illiquid investments looking for the illiquidity premium.
00:53:13
... Typically it’s because they’re tied up in illiquid investments and they don’t wanna miss out on a vintage cycle.