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Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:19 pm
by Cobra
agnosia wrote:Cobra wrote:still no clue what the market is doing. chiosc is low again and the chart still looks like a bear flag breakdown so i'll assume more on the downside, just cannot explain chiosc will do here.
ok i am back from my nap.... cobra what is the measured move down from the bear flag? by my calculations it is 1322-((1340-1310)*.5)= 1307
is that how u calculate it as well?
measured move.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:20 pm
by KENA
cletus wrote:Come next week I guarantee you everyone who is short or in cash will have wished they took the opportunity to get long this week on this selling.
More selling to come.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:21 pm
by BullBear52x
cletus wrote:Come next week I guarantee you everyone who is short or in cash will have wished they took the opportunity to get long this week on this selling.
That is a very strong statement.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:21 pm
by uempel
gabor wrote:uempel wrote:
Anaconda, as far as I know it's just a phenomenon. I presume there is a scientific rationale, but I'm not aware of it (most indicators have a logical background).
For practical use it's an addition to channels - and of course it works on all time frames. An ellipse on a weekly or monthly chart offers strong support/resistance. Here a sample which shows the importance of where SPX is right now:
SPX6.png
The problem with channels and the ellipse is that many ellipses can be drawn. Some of them support the bullish while others support the bearish view. You can never be sure. Trading is an art rather than science, I agree. A warning fact is that even the most succesfull trader (father of market speculation) ever lived in the history failed in the end of his life. See Jesse Livermoore.
Gabor, if you use channels and ellipses wisely and together with other indicators you won't have to end your life like JL! As to speculation - I guess the first speculators were sumerians and lived 5000 years ago. And the Chinese might have speculated even earlier - ask Cobra about the history of speculation in China!
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:23 pm
by Olly Varadi
BullBear52x wrote:cletus wrote:Come next week I guarantee you everyone who is short or in cash will have wished they took the opportunity to get long this week on this selling.
That is a very strong statement.
I'm with Cletus on that but not necessarily regarding the strength of the move.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:23 pm
by jamesmith
uempel wrote:gabor wrote:uempel wrote:
Anaconda, as far as I know it's just a phenomenon. I presume there is a scientific rationale, but I'm not aware of it (most indicators have a logical background).
For practical use it's an addition to channels - and of course it works on all time frames. An ellipse on a weekly or monthly chart offers strong support/resistance. Here a sample which shows the importance of where SPX is right now:
SPX6.png
The problem with channels and the ellipse is that many ellipses can be drawn. Some of them support the bullish while others support the bearish view. You can never be sure. Trading is an art rather than science, I agree. A warning fact is that even the most succesfull trader (father of market speculation) ever lived in the history failed in the end of his life. See Jesse Livermoore.
Gabor, if you use channels and ellipses wisely and together with other indicators you won't have to end your life like JL! As to speculation - I guess the first speculators were sumerians and lived 5000 years ago. And the Chinese might have speculated even earlier - ask Cobra about the history of speculation in China!
I heard Cobra's ancestor is the first speculator in Mars :roll:
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:28 pm
by agnosia
Cobra wrote:
measured move.
don't you multiply by .5 though? this according to bukowski's.
http://thepatternsite.com/flags.html
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:29 pm
by soku
i always use his %.
i see 1306 strong support
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:32 pm
by isothermal
Is anyone watching put/call ratios for SPY option? The reading is very low right now at 1.39. This may signal that we are at some kind of top here.
If you know how to do this, could someone post a plot of this ratio for the last few weeks along with spy price. Thanks!
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:34 pm
by uempel
Bye guys, I'm hungry (no mice and frogs) and thirsty (I guess a beer).
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:35 pm
by agnosia
soku wrote:
i always use his %.
i see 1306 strong support
gotcha, i am used to /es not spy so it looks different.... i am short from 1315... we'll see if the bears can do some good ....
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:35 pm
by andyzaky
The market is very close to a bottom. Think about this logically. We've already seen 3-push downs, the chi-osc is at full-retard extremes, the SPY is sitting at the lower trend-line, the SPY oversold on the 60-min, and the vix is on it's way down.
We're nearing a bottom at least for the near term. Whether we see more selling intermediately is another question. $134 by week's end.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:37 pm
by Anaconda
uempel wrote:Bye guys, I'm hungry (no mice and frogs) and thirsty (I guess a beer).
Bon Appetite and see you later.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:38 pm
by cougar
AAPL might be ready to break away from a sideway pseudo-channell. Chart bellow is 1 min (3LB)
http://images.investorshub.advfn.com/im ... aplday.GIF
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:40 pm
by StrikePrice
Last 45 mins saw a big move up in TLT to retest today's high. Must keep an eye on this...
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:45 pm
by agnosia
this market should be trading down right now, take a look at the RSI on the hourly.. it is screaming DROP.. but there is a huge bidder down 1311-1312... i am covering my short. i believe the selling will happen after the market closes in the futures market...
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:50 pm
by soku
StrikePrice wrote:Last 45 mins saw a big move up in TLT to retest today's high. Must keep an eye on this...
isn't that due to the 2 yr auction?
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:51 pm
by StrikePrice
If the Bulls are gonna reverse this Bear Flag breakdown, it's gotta happen in the next 2 hours.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:57 pm
by BullBear52x
Back test my yellow line, will it make it? let see, I will not cover until this line in the sand is taken out.
Re: 05/24/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:58 pm
by FJoe
Question? Don't day trade much at all. If we break above 1316 on the ES does that mean anything. Just looks to me like the market will break up and not down...conversely if we go below 1311.50 now it looks really bad. If short would you cover above 1316...and if long, cover below the low of yesterday at 1310.75 for today.
Thanks.