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Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:27 pm
by taggard
re bushwaffle

I would say you're right on target with all that. The problem is that (being a frontman/singer/songwriter), ego is gonna be a mother to overcome and actually may end up a bit negative for me unless I find a way to balance it...and I think I'm a degenerate gambler with a subconscious need to lose, even though most of my plans would have worked out, if I had enough self control to stick to them.

The whole artist/money cliche is pretty much true...


ok. . possible key idea (???) singer frontman--the rush of being in front of a crowd (key concept "rush"). "I think i'm a degenerate gambler with a subconscious need to lose" two ideas (1) rush--the intensity of getting killed in a trade gambling etc is intense. i have read studies that show this is far stronger than winning. the other idea? well not "subconscious" because you are typing it.

the rule of thumb is to convince the individual not to trade or gamble. or to avoid the rush. both solutions look like no fun to me. the key idea is to grasp the bio-chem behind the experience. all of us have largely the same mental bio chem--but we experience things differently. the trick is to adjust the rush to an area that is "healthy" rather than to avoid the "rush" all together.

the rush can be shifted--and it can be experienced in some really odd ways--such as playing chess as opposed to bungi jumping. the event is not the issue--it's the meaning of the event to the individual.

bottom line is it is non of my business but i would not trade in a self destructive manner if at all possible.

but i would find something intense that gets you most of the way to that state that is fairly heathly or at least not actively unhealthy.

the real telling statement to me is the reference to subsconscious. you clearly have a major clue what you think is going on--the issue that is more interesting is why not change it? habit? intensity of experience issues? personally i am more behind the eastern approach so analysis of these things is not what i would do (no fun at all either). it's more shifting the experience. but i certainly understand the idea of enjoying intensity--it's. . .er intense.

when the going gets tough--the tough morph into something else and bail the experience

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:27 pm
by ddd
Image

Bullish triangle?

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:29 pm
by fehro
chop... until we break the triangle

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:32 pm
by bushwaffle
taggard wrote:re bushwaffle

I would say you're right on target with all that. The problem is that (being a frontman/singer/songwriter), ego is gonna be a mother to overcome and actually may end up a bit negative for me unless I find a way to balance it...and I think I'm a degenerate gambler with a subconscious need to lose, even though most of my plans would have worked out, if I had enough self control to stick to them.

The whole artist/money cliche is pretty much true...


ok. . possible key idea (???) singer frontman--the rush of being in front of a crowd (key concept "rush"). "I think i'm a degenerate gambler with a subconscious need to lose" two ideas (1) rush--the intensity of getting killed in a trade gambling etc is intense. i have read studies that show this is far stronger than winning. the other idea? well not "subconscious" because you are typing it.

the rule of thumb is to convince the individual not to trade or gamble. or to avoid the rush. both solutions look like no fun to me. the key idea is to grasp the bio-chem behind the experience. all of us have largely the same mental bio chem--but we experience things differently. the trick is to adjust the rush to an area that is "healthy" rather than to avoid the "rush" all together.

the rush can be shifted--and it can be experienced in some really odd ways--such as playing chess as opposed to bungi jumping. the event is not the issue--it's the meaning of the event to the individual.

bottom line is it is non of my business but i would not trade in a self destructive manner if at all possible.

but i would find something intense that gets you most of the way to that state that is fairly heathly or at least not actively unhealthy.

the real telling statement to me is the reference to subsconscious. you clearly have a major clue what you think is going on--the issue that is more interesting is why not change it? habit? intensity of experience issues? personally i am more behind the eastern approach so analysis of these things is not what i would do (no fun at all either). it's more shifting the experience. but i certainly understand the idea of enjoying intensity--it's. . .er intense.

when the going gets tough--the tough morph into something else and bail the experience
Maybe I should only trade while having sex, so the relative effect would be lessened.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:33 pm
by BullBear52x
Al_Dente wrote:
BullBear52x wrote:This is modify Dr. Al version.
I can’t tell how u modified it (please tell)
None-of-my-business suggestion:
split TNX and VIX away from TICK.
Easier to read
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p= ... =251032121

OMG OMG spy broke down under triangle, reversal, broke out above triangle
THAT IS TEXTBOOK BULKOWSKI !!!!!
got to go, You have no or different parameters before on these:
spy.JPG

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:34 pm
by Anaconda
Al_Dente wrote:
BullBear52x wrote:This is modify Dr. Al version.
I can’t tell how u modified it (please tell)
None-of-my-business suggestion:
split TNX and VIX away from TICK.
Easier to read
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p= ... =251032121

OMG OMG spy broke down under triangle, reversal, broke out above triangle
THAT IS TEXTBOOK BULKOWSKI !!!!!
Double busted symmetrical, maybe?

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:35 pm
by bushwaffle
Anaconda wrote:
Al_Dente wrote:
BullBear52x wrote:This is modify Dr. Al version.
I can’t tell how u modified it (please tell)
None-of-my-business suggestion:
split TNX and VIX away from TICK.
Easier to read
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SPY&p= ... =251032121

OMG OMG spy broke down under triangle, reversal, broke out above triangle
THAT IS TEXTBOOK BULKOWSKI !!!!!
Double busted symmetrical, maybe?
There is no triangle, only the MATRIX

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:37 pm
by taggard
Maybe I should only trade while having sex, so the relative effect would be lessened.

yeah or maybe check dopamine levels or reaction to dopamine levels.

good luck with your trading

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:38 pm
by Petsamo
My spreadsheet indicates we are in a neutral area, a no-man's land. One big buy button or one big sell button will determine whether we gap up or down tomorrow.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:40 pm
by bushwaffle
taggard wrote:Maybe I should only trade while having sex, so the relative effect would be lessened.

yeah or maybe check dopamine levels or reaction to dopamine levels.

good luck with your trading
I usually do the opposite of "normal" when drinking...hmmm and the plan begins to unfold...

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:41 pm
by SB73
From a candlestick perspecitive a black candle today says more downside tomorrow. I'll have to watch the close, but right now I am adding shorts on each pathetic push higher.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:48 pm
by SB73
SB73 wrote:From a candlestick perspecitive a black candle today says more downside tomorrow. I'll have to watch the close, but right now I am adding shorts on each pathetic push higher.
Panic close and I will dump my accumulated TZA 29.81 basis. The vix is interesting...would seem to me that the idea of a santa rally has created a lot of complacency.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:50 pm
by Me XMan
Back from lunch. Stick the fork into this pig.

FLUSH IT!

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:50 pm
by jarbo456
oil just looks so darn weak. -_- anyone have thoughts on it?

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:52 pm
by ClarkW
I'm a novice regarding trading but I thought black candles point to a likely directional change, which would point more to a move up. Not being confrontational, just trying to learn. Am I wrong on this?
SB73 wrote:From a candlestick perspecitive a black candle today says more downside tomorrow. I'll have to watch the close, but right now I am adding shorts on each pathetic push higher.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:53 pm
by Cobra
support. I'm clueless intraday but overall a little bit bigger picture, it's not a good day for bulls.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:54 pm
by Al_Dente
fehro wrote:chop... until we break the triangle
I like your STO setting
Kept u short all the way down to 27/28 nov
then long 28 nov to 5/6/7 dec
Then bobble-head crazy mkt 7 dec to today

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:58 pm
by Cobra
well, guess that's it for today, as I said the bigger picture is not good for bulls. thank you guys, I'll see you tomorrow.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:59 pm
by taggard
ClarkW wrote:I'm a novice regarding trading but I thought black candles point to a likely directional change, which would point more to a move up. Not being confrontational, just trying to learn. Am I wrong on this?
SB73 wrote:From a candlestick perspecitive a black candle today says more downside tomorrow. I'll have to watch the close, but right now I am adding shorts on each pathetic push higher.
remember everything is context--so what time frame? what happened before the black candlestick? the end of a (long) trend generally more likely to mean something different could happen. it could also mean options exp is messing up action both ways.

Re: 12/15/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:00 pm
by jaijailyc
Cobra,

When you say bigger picture is not good for bulls? What is the time frame of the "bigger picture"? week, month, quarter?

Thank you