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Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:45 am
by jyao
Cobra wrote:pidge66 wrote:
Cobra, when do we switch from counting H1's to counting L2. Trend break? Elliott wave count? Are we counting L1 now? TIA.
Require some experiences. I don't think AI's way good for beginners.
For beginners, OR breakout is the best way to go, but I cannot tell you the secret, you cannot trade every OR breakout, once you grasp the real concept of OR breakout, you'll have above 80% chances.
For AI method, you have to feel the strength of the current swing, if it's strong, you must go with the trend, but if it feels weak especially the 2nd try, then you may think about reversal. A good way to begin with AI method is you trade only the trend day. What's the trend day? Simple, when you constantly think of (or more precisely afraid of) a reversal that day, it's a trend day!
Cobra, what OR and AI mean? sorry, i am not good at abbreviation.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:45 am
by KENA
MajorEasy wrote:Can sell in May and go away be the right call??
nice down turn on the e-mini s&p (@esu11)
I have an adder to your saying "Sell in may and go away--unless your a bear stay and play.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:46 am
by uempel
If SPX manages to stay above the 195 MA today this rebound has more legs.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:46 am
by cougar
This UP-move, on OpEx day, seems lame to me:
AAPL and GOOG are down.
Contrarian puts-buying on some biotechs which are up today, mimicking a reversal
For example: AGN (Allergan) shows a nice technical reversal....although not supported by money flow, while P/C vol. ratio = 2
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:47 am
by bbc
jyao wrote:Cobra wrote:pidge66 wrote:
Cobra, when do we switch from counting H1's to counting L2. Trend break? Elliott wave count? Are we counting L1 now? TIA.
Require some experiences. I don't think AI's way good for beginners.
For beginners, OR breakout is the best way to go, but I cannot tell you the secret, you cannot trade every OR breakout, once you grasp the real concept of OR breakout, you'll have above 80% chances.
For AI method, you have to feel the strength of the current swing, if it's strong, you must go with the trend, but if it feels weak especially the 2nd try, then you may think about reversal. A good way to begin with AI method is you trade only the trend day. What's the trend day? Simple, when you constantly think of (or more precisely afraid of) a reversal that day, it's a trend day!
Cobra, what OR and AI mean? sorry, i am not good at abbreviation.
AI - Brooks, Al - Reading Price Charts Bar by Bar
OR - open range.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:48 am
by pidge66
Cobra wrote:pidge66 wrote:
Cobra, when do we switch from counting H1's to counting L2. Trend break? Elliott wave count? Are we counting L1 now? TIA.
Require some experiences. I don't think AI's way good for beginners.
For beginners, OR breakout is the best way to go, but I cannot tell you the secret, you cannot trade every OR breakout, once you grasp the real concept of OR breakout, you'll have above 80% chances.
For AI method, you have to feel the strength of the current swing, if it's strong, you must go with the trend, but if it feels weak especially the 2nd try, then you may think about reversal. A good way to begin with AI method is you trade only the trend day. What's the trend day? Simple, when you constantly think of (or more precisely afraid of) a reversal that day, it's a trend day!
I'll study the OR setup this weekend. THanks!
BTW, SPY 127.60 may be of interest. May be a magnet. It's last week's close. Are we going to have 7 down weeks in a row!?
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:48 am
by Cobra
jyao wrote:Cobra wrote:pidge66 wrote:
Cobra, when do we switch from counting H1's to counting L2. Trend break? Elliott wave count? Are we counting L1 now? TIA.
Require some experiences. I don't think AI's way good for beginners.
For beginners, OR breakout is the best way to go, but I cannot tell you the secret, you cannot trade every OR breakout, once you grasp the real concept of OR breakout, you'll have above 80% chances.
For AI method, you have to feel the strength of the current swing, if it's strong, you must go with the trend, but if it feels weak especially the 2nd try, then you may think about reversal. A good way to begin with AI method is you trade only the trend day. What's the trend day? Simple, when you constantly think of (or more precisely afraid of) a reversal that day, it's a trend day!
Cobra, what OR and AI mean? sorry, i am not good at abbreviation.
go to Getting Start, you'll see everything there. actually what's in there are perhaps the most precious things to me, sadly not many people paid attention. Some experienced traders do know the value there.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:49 am
by Thunder
cletus wrote:****************
TRADE ALERT
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Doubled exposure to IYR Sep 62 calls at 1.21
NICE CALL AGAIN CLETUS ......

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Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:49 am
by Cobra
pidge66 wrote:I'll study the OR setup this weekend. THanks!
BTW, SPY 127.60 may be of interest. May be a magnet. It's last week's close. Are we going to have 7 down weeks in a row!?
The book in Getting Start only tells you the concept of OR, but I really don't think he knows or wants to tell the OR secret, he may just want to sell his software, so beware.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:50 am
by BBFinance
cletus wrote:HK88 wrote:
Well, that is from June 1st (the chart as well), I wonder how it looks right now
Even if it flashes a signal, the top will not be in yet
There are many kinds of top, short term top, intermediate term top and long term top. Which one you are referring to?
The long term top is not in yet till Sept. Intermediate term, the top has been in at S&P 1370.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:51 am
by cletus
BBFinance wrote:
There are many kinds of top, short term top, intermediate term top and long term top. Which one you are referring to?
The long term top is not in yet till Sept. Intermediate term, the top has been in at S&P 1370.
Bull market top (long term)
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:51 am
by jyao
bbc wrote:jyao wrote:
Cobra, what OR and AI mean? sorry, i am not good at abbreviation.
AI - Brooks, Al - Reading Price Charts Bar by Bar
OR - open range.
Thanks bbc...
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:56 am
by cougar
Murrey Math levels work today for IWM:
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:56 am
by jyao
Cobra wrote:jyao wrote:
Cobra, what OR and AI mean? sorry, i am not good at abbreviation.
go to Getting Start, you'll see everything there. actually what's in there are perhaps the most precious things to me, sadly not many people paid attention. Some experienced traders do know the value there.
i did read those articles there, but still don't remember. i think i should make hard copy for them then it will help me better. Thanks Cobra.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:58 am
by cletus
Sorry guys about the exit on nat gas puts. I could made so much more money for this board by holding! But I failed to stick to the trading plan and only made 35% could have made much much more.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:03 am
by alvian33
cobra, is the market weak in your view today?
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:06 am
by BullBear52x
Warning! max pain 129 is out the door, option bulls lost. spy trades below 127 today see you at 125ish (123.88 per my dream last night)
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:09 am
by BBFinance
cletus wrote:BBFinance wrote:
There are many kinds of top, short term top, intermediate term top and long term top. Which one you are referring to?
The long term top is not in yet till Sept. Intermediate term, the top has been in at S&P 1370.
Bull market top (long term)
That my friend , is going to come by Sept 2011, around 1410 s&P.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:10 am
by KENA
BullBear52x wrote:Warning! max pain 129 is out the door, option bulls lost. spy trades below 127 today see you at 125ish (123.88 per my dream last night)
I'm right behind you..Missed you when you were gong..I was about the only bear on here.
Re: 06/17/2011 Intraday Watering
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:12 am
by cletus
Cotton starting to move. 1=5 working so far so this could be a good long. I won't add to my position yet though.