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Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:03 am
by bbc
StrikePrice wrote:
bbc wrote:
StrikePrice wrote:
AK84 wrote:VIX is down 24% !!!!!! :shock:

Oopss...sorry that was the weekly chart.
but down 7% today . wow!
Yes. I took a position in VXX as there is a tiny positive divergence. Gotta be good for a bounce.
vxx is all time low now, but it's decaying, I won't hold it long,
Yes. The RSI bounce trade I never hold more than 3 days. It's been wrong before and there's a tiny chance we have a big up day tomorrow on 1st of month seasonality, but we all know everyone is leaving for vacation early and volume will be light so it's seems safe to assume the buying will now finally slow down.
I was asking seasonality of July 1st, do you have it?

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:04 am
by rhight
Tabby wrote:
bbc wrote:
PoorHomey wrote:According to this chart, SPY is currently en route to the MOON! :lol:


very nice picutre :lol: :lol: :lol:
it looks like one happy and :D :mrgreen: moon.
Here's my moon cycle chart - just happens to be working lately - but not always . . .

BTW, is there a pattern call "4 white soldiers"? :roll:

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:04 am
by StrikePrice
bbc wrote: there are several points that invalid your assumption:

1. big traders not always know news before us.
2. they could manipulate the price pattern, 4 weeks or more, there are manipulated sell-off before Friday noon to trigger many long orders stop, then it rebounced even more in the afternoon with good news. a -5% in the morning and +5% in the afternoon. And it happened a lot with many futures.

I guess you misunderstood me a bit, I did not say I will try to guess the news, I am using a quantitative approach exclusively, all I said is when there is no
*hint* in the price pattern, if I have to trade this risk high, reward high scheduled events, I will place stop to enter order on both sides.

So time, it will be stopped in with the wrong direction :D
If you're a qunat you should read about the August 2007 quant meltdown. Really interesting stuff. Proves how the big players can "fool" markets. No time to go into things here, but there are many good books about it now.

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:07 am
by Bencat
the up-moving is too strong? may say HH ahead if there is pullback soon.

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:09 am
by StrikePrice
bbc wrote:
StrikePrice wrote:
bbc wrote:
StrikePrice wrote:
AK84 wrote:VIX is down 24% !!!!!! :shock:

Oopss...sorry that was the weekly chart.
but down 7% today . wow!
Yes. I took a position in VXX as there is a tiny positive divergence. Gotta be good for a bounce.
vxx is all time low now, but it's decaying, I won't hold it long,
Yes. The RSI bounce trade I never hold more than 3 days. It's been wrong before and there's a tiny chance we have a big up day tomorrow on 1st of month seasonality, but we all know everyone is leaving for vacation early and volume will be light so it's seems safe to assume the buying will now finally slow down.
I was asking seasonality of July 1st, do you have it?
Seasonality can be found on Cobra's Blog.

http://cobrasmarketview.blogspot.com/

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:10 am
by Bayern
Bencat wrote:the up-moving is too strong? may say HH ahead if there is pullback soon.
It seems there's a target of 120 in their mind as it seems any down move is bought up immediately.

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:10 am
by Cobra
if L1 next bar, then could see a pullback here. overall, the up momentum is strong, bears better don't fight.

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:10 am
by bbc
StrikePrice wrote:
bbc wrote: there are several points that invalid your assumption:

1. big traders not always know news before us.
2. they could manipulate the price pattern, 4 weeks or more, there are manipulated sell-off before Friday noon to trigger many long orders stop, then it rebounced even more in the afternoon with good news. a -5% in the morning and +5% in the afternoon. And it happened a lot with many futures.

I guess you misunderstood me a bit, I did not say I will try to guess the news, I am using a quantitative approach exclusively, all I said is when there is no
*hint* in the price pattern, if I have to trade this risk high, reward high scheduled events, I will place stop to enter order on both sides.

So time, it will be stopped in with the wrong direction :D
If you're a qunat you should read about the August 2007 quant meltdown. Really interesting stuff. Proves how the big players can "fool" markets. No time to go into things here, but there are many good books about it now.
i've read and thanks

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:13 am
by dr659
6 pages already today on this blog( 11:00), orgasms on CNBC ,Are we nearing a pullback of some kind ?

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:13 am
by AK84
dr659 wrote:6 pages already today on this blog( 11:00), orgasms on CNBC ,Are we nearing a pullback of some kind ?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:15 am
by Cobra
no L1, so no sign of pullback, let's wait the next bar. again bears don't fight.

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:16 am
by alvian33
cobra do you see the long tail on spy?

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:17 am
by reza
Alphahorn:
Do you mind sharing your setting for panel3-5? Is it proprietary?
Thanks.
alphahorn wrote:I swing trade, can't sit in front of the computer all day, my SPY system has triggered 17 trades for the SPX since September 2010. A lot of people don't like indicators, I don't really either, so I made my own

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:17 am
by cheech
bbc wrote:
there are several points that invalid your assumption:

1. big traders not always know news before us.
2. they could manipulate the price pattern, 4 weeks or more, there are manipulated sell-off before Friday noon to trigger many long orders stop, then it rebounced even more in the afternoon with good news. a -5% in the morning and +5% in the afternoon. And it happened a lot with many futures.

I guess you misunderstood me a bit, I did not say I will try to guess the news, I am using a quantitative approach exclusively, all I said is when there is no
*hint* in the price pattern, if I have to trade this risk high, reward high scheduled events, I will place stop to enter order on both sides.

I think you believe all information you need for trading is price,volume, that's debatable right? when it comes to belief, I have no opinion on that:D

So time, it will be stopped in with the wrong direction :D
Fair enough. But I just made 50% in a few minutes on UNG calls, so I guess it doesn't matter. lol

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:18 am
by cheech
Cobra wrote:no L1, so no sign of pullback, let's wait the next bar. again bears don't fight.
Bears should be fighting here. Sell high buy low. That's what professionals do.

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:18 am
by uempel
If 1320 breaks SPX might go up to 1330 ...
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Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:19 am
by ctu688
Cobra wrote:if L1 next bar, then could see a pullback here. overall, the up momentum is strong, bears better don't fight.
Hi Cobra,

You mention L1, L2 and stages of push. Is there some reading in regard? I am short of reading list. Thanks

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:20 am
by uempel
cheech wrote:
Cobra wrote:no L1, so no sign of pullback, let's wait the next bar. again bears don't fight.
Bears should be fighting here. Sell high buy low. That's what professionals do.
cheech, so you are a professional...

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:21 am
by barbaragull
cheech wrote:
Cobra wrote:no L1, so no sign of pullback, let's wait the next bar. again bears don't fight.
Bears should be fighting here. Sell high buy low. That's what professionals do.
Seems like people just don't believe the market can ever go lower :shock:

Re: 06/30/2011 Intraday Watering

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:25 am
by 99er