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03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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Cobra wrote:
TraderGirl wrote:
Cobra wrote:
stepture wrote:Cobra,

Why does XIV increase so much? Does it mean something?

Thanks
no idea. I never figured out VIX and its futures relationships, so I assume they're totally different things. and VIX doesn't work nowadays anyway. :lol:
VIX products may be getting dumped because of the issues surrounding TVIX, people are getting nervous in holding too much risk, so they could be dumping. If we continue to have small moves in the mkt (10-15 spx pts) then volatility is not there, and these products may continue to go down. The best trades this year were probably shorting VIX products. I personally will be staying away until June/July and then assess at that time whether the instruments have any merit...
the problem is most likely your broker won't allow you to short TVIX as it's almost free money. I did try but no luck, it's not allowed.
the trade has been selling near month ITM vix calls and buying May, June, July vix calls for cheap.
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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dont know what it means but tna rocketing AH
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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SPX...??
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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I won't do a friday market overview, gonna just be a weekend up date.
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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jarbo456 wrote:
Cobra wrote:
TraderGirl wrote:
Cobra wrote:
stepture wrote:Cobra,

Why does XIV increase so much? Does it mean something?

Thanks
no idea. I never figured out VIX and its futures relationships, so I assume they're totally different things. and VIX doesn't work nowadays anyway. :lol:
VIX products may be getting dumped because of the issues surrounding TVIX, people are getting nervous in holding too much risk, so they could be dumping. If we continue to have small moves in the mkt (10-15 spx pts) then volatility is not there, and these products may continue to go down. The best trades this year were probably shorting VIX products. I personally will be staying away until June/July and then assess at that time whether the instruments have any merit...
the problem is most likely your broker won't allow you to short TVIX as it's almost free money. I did try but no luck, it's not allowed.
the trade has been selling near month ITM vix calls and buying May, June, July vix calls for cheap.
Sounds like a good trade, just stay away from calls around april 2-5...IMHO
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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Look for test of 1414 by Monday or Tuesday morning,looking for rejection and nice short set up.
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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the trade has been selling near month ITM vix calls and buying May, June, July vix calls for cheap.[/quote]

Sounds like a good trade, just stay away from calls around april 2-5...IMHO[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

I mean selling calls that is...
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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TVIX at 5% premium now. Started limited stock creation. Value = 6.81 from my calculations based upon the article below and a close of 7.16. getting closer to reality.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/03 ... long-halt/
Flip that coin.

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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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TraderGirl is cool. At the beginning of the week, she said we bottom out on Thursday. She missed it by a few hours. We bottomed out in the first hour of today. We then rallied hard and never looked back. Fooled everyone, eh? Image
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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TraderGirl wrote:
Cobra wrote:
stepture wrote:Cobra,

Why does XIV increase so much? Does it mean something?

Thanks
no idea. I never figured out VIX and its futures relationships, so I assume they're totally different things. and VIX doesn't work nowadays anyway. :lol:
VIX products may be getting dumped because of the issues surrounding TVIX, people are getting nervous in holding too much risk, so they could be dumping. If we continue to have small moves in the mkt (10-15 spx pts) then volatility is not there, and these products may continue to go down. The best trades this year were probably shorting VIX products. I personally will be staying away until June/July and then assess at that time whether the instruments have any merit...
I can't say the following is absolute, but it has a decent chance:

I have seen options open on various contracts and the premiums were fairly high at first. Then more people rushed in and were willing to take more risk than they realized by crushing volatility. More algos are joining the fray. And they have seen this premium collection every Friday. An analogy would be that a guy working for $5 an hour has been joined by three people who made nothing and they will work for $1. It might be a fair explanation as to the VIX collapse as there is competition to sell premium.
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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8-)
SWalsh wrote:
TraderGirl wrote:
Cobra wrote:
stepture wrote:Cobra,

Why does XIV increase so much? Does it mean something?

Thanks
no idea. I never figured out VIX and its futures relationships, so I assume they're totally different things. and VIX doesn't work nowadays anyway. :lol:
VIX products may be getting dumped because of the issues surrounding TVIX, people are getting nervous in holding too much risk, so they could be dumping. If we continue to have small moves in the mkt (10-15 spx pts) then volatility is not there, and these products may continue to go down. The best trades this year were probably shorting VIX products. I personally will be staying away until June/July and then assess at that time whether the instruments have any merit...
I can't say the following is absolute, but it has a decent chance:

I have seen options open on various contracts and the premiums were fairly high at first. Then more people rushed in and were willing to take more risk than they realized by crushing volatility. More algos are joining the fray. And they have seen this premium collection every Friday. An analogy would be that a guy working for $5 an hour has been joined by three people who made nothing and they will work for $1. It might be a fair explanation as to the VIX collapse as there is competition to sell premium.
Very nice explanation Mr. Walsh. For a while It has seemed to me that writing options in this environment would be lucrative. Perhaps I've been right and we're seeing a welcome dose of free enterprise in the market.
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Re: 03/23/2012 Intraday Watering

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Just a guess-timation of possibilities for the dollar and it's affects on silver...???
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