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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:41 pm
by Al_Dente
Thanks denali
NEVER NEVER silly; always useful and appreciated.
I like that “quicky” summary (your extended posts on the subscription board play havoc with my ADHD)
Thanks cobra I always LOVE it when you explain/point out your trades
Thanks everyone else for everything else, srsly
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:47 pm
by Mr. BachNut
Royal Flush wrote:Mr. BachNut wrote:
I think it is a 5 day total not average. You would use an average of 0.8 as a threshold.
I have some experience (read scar tissue) on this.
I have found that win rates on this are dramatically different depending on whether you are in a bull trend or bear trend.
The signal has good tradeable odds in a bear trend, but it is a coin flip in a bull trend IMO.
That said, it is worth keeping an eye on in a bull trend because the times it does work (52%) are often at highs/tops.
Thanks for the detail Mr. BachNut: won't the times it does work always be at highs/tops? I presume you mean that the probability of it working is lower if below a prior high or not a long way up in a leg off a recent bottom.
Sorry. I may not have been clear.
In an uptrend (as defined by my composite trend signal which is intermediate term in nature), I have been able to craft a setup based on 5 day average TRIN that profits about 1/2 the time.
Sometimes the wins catch a top and pay well. Sometimes they just catch a small dip in the trend and pay peanuts. The asymmetry is not great against losers with a functional stop loss.
It could well be a problem with my setup. A clever swing trader may better figure this one out.
In a downtrend, my numbers are different, perhaps because the Force is with me.
I nonetheless find this signal is right enough to keep it on the radar.
Cobra has mentioned a 2% drop possibility. A TRIN warning is another data point consistent with that possibility.
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:51 pm
by Al_Dente
This just in from the OY Department:
“Market Bears Are Warning That Stocks Will Shoot Straight Up...Ironically, many of the bulls are warning of a correction before the next leg of the rally.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/richard- ... ks-2013-11
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:52 pm
by Cobra
since this rebound shall have legs, so h1 or h2 should work.
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:55 pm
by Cobra
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:59 pm
by Al_Dente
General Bonkers says FXI China went bonkers-up on the open, finally now a bit soft, but still really trying to hold bonky.

- gen bonkers.png (172.68 KiB) Viewed 8983 times
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:01 pm
by joegamma
Odd that vix is bouncing here

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:02 pm
by BullBear52x
Al_Dente wrote:General Bonkers says FXI China went bonkers-up on the open, finally now a bit soft, but still really trying to hold bonky.
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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:04 pm
by Cobra
h1 long.
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:06 pm
by Al_Dente
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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:08 pm
by quientuves
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:09 pm
by BullBear52x
This is what top looks like

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:11 pm
by Cobra
C&H and 100% mm targets.
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:12 pm
by BullBear52x
82mil? I'll let you have it this time

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:15 pm
by Denali92
RANGE EXPANSION!!!!
Denali92 wrote:SLOW DAY - means a RESEARCH DAY!
Just for FUN - this is the NARROWEST RANGE SO FAR in the SPY on Opex Day since 2007
Others:
Aug 12 .44 - Minor top on the Tuesday after
Mar 12: .48 - Minor top on the Monday after
Feb 07: (pre holiday) .53 - MAJOR TOP on the Thursday after
Feb 11 (pre holiday): .63 Major top on Opex Day
Jan 12: .63 - Minor top on the Monday after
Feb 12 (pre holiday) .67Minor top on the Tuesday after
Means 1 of two things - the range will expand later today
or we will sit here and make fresh highs next week until the market gets bored and we pull back about 2.5 SPY pts....
What I was surprised to discover is that 23 of the opex days (out of 83) since 2007 have had ranges of less than 1 pt in the SPY.
Anyway - silly research..... but thought people might enjoy!
-D
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:16 pm
by joegamma
Mr. BachNut wrote:Royal Flush wrote:Mr. BachNut wrote:
I think it is a 5 day total not average. You would use an average of 0.8 as a threshold.
Sorry. I may not have been clear.
In an uptrend (as defined by my composite trend signal which is intermediate term in nature), I have been able to craft a setup based on 5 day average TRIN that profits about 1/2 the time.
Sometimes the wins catch a top and pay well. Sometimes they just catch a small dip in the trend and pay peanuts. The asymmetry is not great against losers with a functional stop loss.
It could well be a problem with my setup. A clever swing trader may better figure this one out.
In a downtrend, my numbers are different, perhaps because the Force is with me.
I nonetheless find this signal is right enough to keep it on the radar.
Cobra has mentioned a 2% drop possibility. A TRIN warning is another data point consistent with that possibility.
You were very clear, my lack of clarity ie: sum vs avg was confusing, thanks for more insight and sharing your experience.
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:20 pm
by joegamma
Al_Dente wrote:General Bonkers says FXI China went bonkers-up on the open, finally now a bit soft, but still really trying to hold bonky.
gen bonkers.png
Gen. Bonkers have a view on 10yr or TLT?
wondering if we get a dip to buy I/T staying long or flat?
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:27 pm
by Cobra
it was a good h1.
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:29 pm
by Out of Bounds
AL, check your messages.ASAP
Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:33 pm
by BullBear52x
This is when 5w up, 3 push up, 2x top get together so nice, too nice to be right

last chart, Peace!