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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:41 pm
by Al_Dente
Thanks denali
NEVER NEVER silly; always useful and appreciated.
I like that “quicky” summary (your extended posts on the subscription board play havoc with my ADHD)

Thanks cobra I always LOVE it when you explain/point out your trades

Thanks everyone else for everything else, srsly

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:47 pm
by Mr. BachNut
Royal Flush wrote:
Mr. BachNut wrote:
I think it is a 5 day total not average. You would use an average of 0.8 as a threshold.

I have some experience (read scar tissue) on this.
I have found that win rates on this are dramatically different depending on whether you are in a bull trend or bear trend.
The signal has good tradeable odds in a bear trend, but it is a coin flip in a bull trend IMO.
That said, it is worth keeping an eye on in a bull trend because the times it does work (52%) are often at highs/tops.
Thanks for the detail Mr. BachNut: won't the times it does work always be at highs/tops? I presume you mean that the probability of it working is lower if below a prior high or not a long way up in a leg off a recent bottom.
Sorry. I may not have been clear.
In an uptrend (as defined by my composite trend signal which is intermediate term in nature), I have been able to craft a setup based on 5 day average TRIN that profits about 1/2 the time.
Sometimes the wins catch a top and pay well. Sometimes they just catch a small dip in the trend and pay peanuts. The asymmetry is not great against losers with a functional stop loss.
It could well be a problem with my setup. A clever swing trader may better figure this one out.
In a downtrend, my numbers are different, perhaps because the Force is with me. :)
I nonetheless find this signal is right enough to keep it on the radar.
Cobra has mentioned a 2% drop possibility. A TRIN warning is another data point consistent with that possibility.

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:51 pm
by Al_Dente
This just in from the OY Department:
“Market Bears Are Warning That Stocks Will Shoot Straight Up...Ironically, many of the bulls are warning of a correction before the next leg of the rally.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/richard- ... ks-2013-11

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:52 pm
by Cobra
since this rebound shall have legs, so h1 or h2 should work.

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:55 pm
by Cobra
Al_Dente wrote:This just in from the OY Department:
“Market Bears Are Warning That Stocks Will Shoot Straight Up...Ironically, many of the bulls are warning of a correction before the next leg of the rally.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/richard- ... ks-2013-11
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:59 pm
by Al_Dente
General Bonkers says FXI China went bonkers-up on the open, finally now a bit soft, but still really trying to hold bonky.
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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:01 pm
by joegamma
Odd that vix is bouncing here :?:

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:02 pm
by BullBear52x
Al_Dente wrote:General Bonkers says FXI China went bonkers-up on the open, finally now a bit soft, but still really trying to hold bonky.
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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:04 pm
by Cobra
h1 long.

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:06 pm
by Al_Dente
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Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:08 pm
by quientuves
C'mon guys, let's finish the week in a new all-time high... :P :?

:evil: :evil:

:(

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:09 pm
by BullBear52x
This is what top looks like :lol: :twisted:

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:11 pm
by Cobra
C&H and 100% mm targets.

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:12 pm
by BullBear52x
Al_Dente wrote:BB52x:
Boss, just buy her another diamond, already
http://e.businessinsider.com/view/52349 ... 5/c95b194a
82mil? I'll let you have it this time :)

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:15 pm
by Denali92
RANGE EXPANSION!!!! :o

Denali92 wrote:SLOW DAY - means a RESEARCH DAY!

Just for FUN - this is the NARROWEST RANGE SO FAR in the SPY on Opex Day since 2007

Others:

Aug 12 .44 - Minor top on the Tuesday after
Mar 12: .48 - Minor top on the Monday after
Feb 07: (pre holiday) .53 - MAJOR TOP on the Thursday after
Feb 11 (pre holiday): .63 Major top on Opex Day
Jan 12: .63 - Minor top on the Monday after
Feb 12 (pre holiday) .67Minor top on the Tuesday after

Means 1 of two things - the range will expand later today :lol:

or we will sit here and make fresh highs next week until the market gets bored and we pull back about 2.5 SPY pts....

What I was surprised to discover is that 23 of the opex days (out of 83) since 2007 have had ranges of less than 1 pt in the SPY.

Anyway - silly research..... but thought people might enjoy!

-D

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:16 pm
by joegamma
Mr. BachNut wrote:
Royal Flush wrote:
Mr. BachNut wrote:
I think it is a 5 day total not average. You would use an average of 0.8 as a threshold.


Sorry. I may not have been clear.
In an uptrend (as defined by my composite trend signal which is intermediate term in nature), I have been able to craft a setup based on 5 day average TRIN that profits about 1/2 the time.
Sometimes the wins catch a top and pay well. Sometimes they just catch a small dip in the trend and pay peanuts. The asymmetry is not great against losers with a functional stop loss.
It could well be a problem with my setup. A clever swing trader may better figure this one out.
In a downtrend, my numbers are different, perhaps because the Force is with me. :)
I nonetheless find this signal is right enough to keep it on the radar.
Cobra has mentioned a 2% drop possibility. A TRIN warning is another data point consistent with that possibility.
You were very clear, my lack of clarity ie: sum vs avg was confusing, thanks for more insight and sharing your experience.

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:20 pm
by joegamma
Al_Dente wrote:General Bonkers says FXI China went bonkers-up on the open, finally now a bit soft, but still really trying to hold bonky.
gen bonkers.png
Gen. Bonkers have a view on 10yr or TLT?
wondering if we get a dip to buy I/T staying long or flat?

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:27 pm
by Cobra
it was a good h1.

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:29 pm
by Out of Bounds
AL, check your messages.ASAP

Re: 11/15/2013 Live Update

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:33 pm
by BullBear52x
This is when 5w up, 3 push up, 2x top get together so nice, too nice to be right :lol: last chart, Peace!