rc1269 wrote:Xian wrote:dr659 wrote:Republicans have counter offer on spending cuts to avoid fiscal cliff
This is politics. GOPers were getting slammed for "no plan". This ends that talking point. That's it.
Nothing new. Ignore the spending side for now. That's not immediate (meaning next 3 1/2 weeks) This is a tax debate (that GOPers will lose).
What you've got here is GOPers saying $800B in new revenues but rates stay the same. Rates are going up. They're going to lose that one.
Bottom line: O wants $1.6T in revenue, GOP now offering $800B.
Boehner's going to want to keep new revenue below $1T in order to claim a "win".
Dec 21 (op ex) is your key date (or last day of key week).
"Vote for the good of the country? Eff that!"
"I might miss my flight home for x-mas? This is serious! Let's vote!"
Dec 17-21. That's your window for a deal.
just curious - what do you consider a "win" or "loss" for the GOP w/resp to taxes? since you mention 2x they will "lose" such a debate. not sure what victory or defeat is here.
Sorry about that. Mean they will lose on the tax rates issue. Rates will go up. They know it too.
So a "win" for them is to say they kept O and the liberals under $1T, but the greater win for them politically will be from "allowing" the "middle class" tax cuts to go through and move on to their next fight(s): Spending and debt celling. Both give them significantly more leverage than they have now. Take away this rate issue and the playing field is leveled and O is somewhat de-fanged.
For example, ABC was saying earlier today that GOP might let Pelosi's petition go through, then vote "present". Allowing middle class tax cuts to go through, without GOP fingerprints on it. GOP quickly denied this report.
Point being, they have to find a way to "let" rates go up, while politically saving face. As soon as they do that.... on to the next fight and (for them) greener pastures.