Petsamo wrote:jarbo456 wrote:for people who aren't skiddish of CEF's, looking for a longer term investment with superior yield and diversity into non-government/corporate fixed income, MHN just poppped onto my radar.
Thanks for the MHN suggestion, but no thanks.
If the
5-year chart doesn't scare you, the 6% dividend yield ought to disappoint you. As you can see from the last three
months of dividends, it's starting to decline. "Muniholdings of New York" ought to really scare you. I'll stick to my 13.9% dividend yield of PHK.
i'm going to regret replying...but once again your non-fact-based generalized comments must be smacked down.
1) i meant to say it's entered my sphere of interest - aka now it's interesting, but some more in-depth research (something that seems foreign to you) is required. the trade set up may not be there right away (which I don't think it is)
2) the 5 year chart? please explain - what exactly do you see that's verifiably bearish - name a pattern, name a tech indicator, pretty much point out anything to back up your statement that the 5 year chart is "scary" (i'm all ears, hell tell me that the RSI is below 50 on the weeklies...ANYTHING to back up your statement). you, on the other hand, simply reply, "if the 5-year chart doesn't scare you" dot, dot, dot...fluff.
Now the daily chart definitely looks weak, and with 12 down days in a row, one can expect a dead cat bounce to fail one of these days. should the price reach the high 14 handle and show a bottoming pattern, i'm of the opinion that it could be added to your portfolio. Again, specifics...it's what drives smart investments - not vapid generalized statements.
3) it's a 6% dividend in a tax free environment in a space that has ridiculously low default rates - name the default rate for your high yield corporates? you're paid to hold the risk with PHK. again, you compare PHK with a product that's completely different and your base judgement is on yield alone - ignoramus.
4) 3 months of dividend declines is hardly a track record to note - especially on a product that pays monthly! with that being said, i don't deny there is dividend payout risk, as there is in ANY of these high yield assets. everyone should be watching the payout trend, and RESEARCHING what the underlying causes are. for MHN there is a risk that the older higher yielding paper will be replaced with new lower yielding paper - it's something to definitely watch. with that being said, i don't mind even 5% on this, should it diversify me away from high yield corporates, and pay better than 10-30 year treasuries.
5) i'm not particularly scared of NY paper, it may not be the best, but it's certainly far from the worst. once again you make a bold and general statement about NY muni holdings without backing it up. NY is a specialty state, with a framework that limits yield. with this kind of oversight it makes credit less of a risk, but obviously limits some upside in yield. because of it's specialty status, ny munis make a lot more sense for ny residents. this is researched and verifiable - rather than, "muniholdinngs of new york ought to really scare you"...based on what? and in what context? no research, no knowledge, and a totally empty statement.
move on Petsamo - my comments aren't meant for you anyway - they're meant for people who are interested in the flow of researched, vetted, and thoughtful ideas.