Out of Bounds wrote:gasprice wrote:THE TOP IS IN: HOW A COUNTRY WITH A POPULATION OF 1 MILLION TOOK DOWN THE GLOBAL ECONOMY!!!!
Let's get realistic folks and recognize the media has to hype up any story with the VIX sub 20, which it will largely stay for years to come, typical vol cycles that I've already discussed.
I wouldn't underestimate how a very small but highly leveraged system could impact other similar but much larger systems. not saying Armageddon is imminent but there is real risk.
agree with OOB--but also adding the key point here is not the event--but what it is showing you about what is going on behind the scenes. al posted something in afterhours re euro banks leveraged 26x. this is a nice idea--but the key problem is this assumes a somewhat concrete value for the assets and leverage. that is the issue derivative values in many cases cannot be (or certainly are not currently) being defined as anything remotely absolute. So the assets that are leveraged are not fixed in value--and the degree of leverage is not fixed in value. or if you want to think they are "relatively fixed in value during normal situations" then "they are not fixed in value during extreme situations". as you see the political situation shift around the idea is what if it becomes functionally possible for political guys to re-create these "semi normal situations" where say 50% of derivatives have some value that "work" on a day to day basis.
think of it this way--in a large shift the 500-1000 trillion nominal value (we just don't know as not all these things are on any books or are able to be valued) which have a ball park 10% real value (on average over all of them) could create a situation where you (the usa) suddenly needs 10 trillion by thursday (not unlike Cyprus % wise with say 24 billion in gdp and needing 17 billion (or at least a quick 10) to keep the doors open). like OOB not currently focused on armageddon--but just trying to get across the size of the issues.
amazing as it seems--everything is based on trust--you trust your stuff will get cleared. you trust the food is ok. and you trust the govs to act within bonds. even if you are not the trusting type. remove this and things get odd in strange ways.
so the two dangers are the size of the leverage which is really mostly underrated. and more to the point the idea of trust which is far more subtle than first glance may convey. as far as vol cycles--i am not disputing your idea of sub 20--but anything traded by humans has a much better chance of +2 point standard deviation for a reasonable length of time. i admire your confidence in your work--and i am sorry to say i have little confidence in humans under pressure real or imaginary.
all just my opinion good luck with your trades