BullBear52x wrote:Cobra wrote:gabor wrote:BullBear52x wrote:Cobra wrote:volume surge, may see rebound here. bears need pray. bears need one single day that the morning dip is not being bought. just one single day.
Some thing tells me there will be a ramp job to shake the bears out one more time before the market heading lower. within TWO hours, I can tell the market makers are mad as hell right now no volume for them to sell to balance
Do you really believe that some big guys tried to manipulate the market up to this point and now sell.
I don't believe anyone can manipulate the market.
yes, me too, it's all about economy.

one the road quick one--(1) cobra you mentioned you were considering price action only for everything. i can see that--but spending a limited (very) period of time on the larger picture stuff every day is a good idea too. i really enjoy the stuff and if were voting would vote "stick with it--but limit to the fewest possible charts--eg more ideas are not more useful. that's only my take of course. (2) re market tweaking--interagency working group-george stephanopoulous under clinton admitted the existence on tv. what i think is the key issue between the swash side and the "markets are free side" is time frames. There is no question weird stuff happens--but it is usually for short periods and key leverage points. and can be direct (some sort of futures stuff) or indirect (in some form increase liquidity).
the real issue is should we worry about this day to day. i would say from a trading perspective no. the whole point of technical trading is to "play it as it lays". however while i don't totally agree with swalsh--i think his overall point about corruption lack of ethics is an issue. however i see it as broad--eg the entire country has gotten used to the free ride--just as all empires have beginnings middle and ends--we do too. what was true for China Persia Rome England Germany short term etc will be true for us.
we really have to try to be truthful compassionate and kind to each other because in the end that is all there is--the idea that one can isolate one's self from events around one and stay clean is not an option for 99 out 100 people. in prison solitary time is used as punishment. and if placed in an isolation tank in the correct way and left there for 20-60 min most people will crack--due to the "lack" of incoming date to create a reference for their mind.
in short there is no clear limit to ourselves and what is around us--we are to some degree what we interact with. this is why people's opinions of the market shift with relative positions of the market and why most are bullish higher and bearish lower.
finally if all that doesn't get though--goog "Stanford prison experiment" which shows that we literally shift persona with perceived social postion.
so the short verison--(1) lets look for ways to see this degree of applicability of various technical trades--most should stick with the idea no front running. (2) lets not assume (as in the discussion over god's existence) if the markets can be or cannot be rigged at this exact moment--because 99% of the time we cannot know. (3) but let us take the best of what Swalsh is suggesting and try to operate with some ethical basis. (4) in the end compassion is the way since the earth is finite feed back loop in the sense of human interaction--in short what goes around comes around.
good day all and back to the road.