soku wrote:as i said, i am not bond guy. here is my calculation er, i mean guess. the greece bond haircut is 79% for now. on 3/20 isda is going to tell us the exact number. the cds is not a lot, only 3b. i think it will impact the next bail out. yes, there will be the next one pretty soon. greece lives on that.
yeah. all this sounds right although keep in mind us banks are exposed to at least 50% of the insurance on euro zone debt and that likely as not they have leveraged this to some extent. so looking at this step you could argue that "they cannot let stuff get hit too hard" (and given the really long period leading up to this there was room to offset the losses). but far more to the point--going forward--it's going to force 3-10 trillion (range) more to go into banks world wide from central banks and or treasuries etc etc. keep in mind that leverage in the euro zone banking is epic and leverage here is less but obviously tied to the actions of the weakest links. people tend to focus on the nominal math--and ignore the layers of leverage. this is what happened at the start with sub-prime. the idea at that time (crammer and others) was that "since it's such a small part of the market--whatever damage will be limited".
my guess is the key issue is to think out 1-3 steps on this and look for what damage it does to liquify at the level that is likely implied at the exact time you force austerity on people. in an ecosystem you don't worry as much about nominal hierarchical structure as you do "the limiting factor". in human populations any group is only as strong as the weakest link--and that tends to add drag to a situation.
so i can see how liquidity can be really amped up and thus the immediate problems solved--but what i think is the real problem is the effects of that move (so the problem after the problem is . . er the problem). so far various wise guys out there have argued that "it's not an issue at this time or for the foreseeable future". That sounded uncomfortable but not really wrong. However now we are much closer to something and it's getting far more risky to stick with that "dude it's not yet" stuff. how do we know this? Because we are stating to see huge problems in forward discounting of various US and other government obligations. and these lead to "conditions that cannot happen (because stuff will just explode)" the old saying is "if stuff cannot happen--then it won't" this slowly forces the idea of change. so what was valid in say 2000 when the pinch point looked like 2014-2018 is not as valid now as we near these dates.
esp with the market tending to discount a ways out. summing up (finally) greece and the euro zone problems may be only 3-10 trillion and thus in themselves not the end of the world--but the actions taken in two opposing directions (print money banks and austerity to voters) are likely to create some sort of problem after the problem that will be where things get interesting. Time wise it seems like fairly soon--not 10-20 years but 1-3 years. If you see congress take over the fed (and get weird with the treasury) that mite be a sign of some sort. if you see japan default that mite be a sign of something. if you see Germany go into some serious recession/depression due to exports not working in the euro zone that could be something. and if you see world wide screaming from middle and lower classes that likely will mean something. somerset maugham said "all stories should have a beginning middle and end" this one will too.