In the last 6 weeks appl is up over 30%--420-570; is this really the entire move in NDX and SPX??? I believe it is 20% of the NDX; not sure how large % it is of SPX. Also thanks for the advise/opinions on my current loss due to holding apr 25 calls on VXX; currently they trade at 1, so I would realize a loss of 125k if I sell now---way to big, but I thought 50k was then 75k then 100k, based on what you guys see for next few weeks would you ride this thing or take the pain---your opinions/advise is wanted; but obviously the loss is mine and I am responsible for my trading. Thanks
stevej wrote:appl only up 31 points in two days whats wrong; can't we just go up to 750 and be done???
stevej--i did post (a novel) yesterday in response to your situation. that post was the result of losing far more money than you--and talking about and 15 years of pretty hard work. so it wasn't done lightly.
"i would realize a loss of 125k if i sell now" well that's one way to say it--i would say "
i have lost 125k and might regain part all or even more of that if there was a serious move in the next few weeks". this idea that the loss is only taken once the position is sold is a very dangerous point of view (in my opinion) personally
i mark to market every 1 min on an intra day trade and every day on a longer term trade. this is important since it allows me to sell losers and never get in the situation you are describing.
" so I would realize a loss of 125k if I sell now---way to big" what does this mean? you wisely note that as the loss grew you figured it was too big each step. what's more to the point is why not have sold at 50k and re-entered the trade the second you saw a decent opening on say a daily/hourly? there is a sort of adrenal response to holding a large trade--esp a large losing trade. this creates as it does in other areas such as fighting--a narrowing of attention--the whole world shrinks to this one trade. but your life is made up of a continuum of trades and all that matters is what happens on the entire flow. thinking like this allows you to back off that pin point attention and see the whole picture again. yes each trade should be handled as flawlessly as possible--but trades are like pearls (moments in time) you are stringing on a necklace (your life).
look i know you are in a lot of pain right now--i have been there on a level you don't even want to get close to--so i get it. but ask your self this--"are you acting with a clear mind--or are you worried about the money". the first thing to do in trading is lose the idea that the money means a thing. it's a way to keep score. The trading charts etc all have to be very clear--the more you have tons of emotion behind the trade--or are into the fear of "losing" or gung ho of "winning" you are in serious danger.
despite the pain--learn here about yourself because this will allow you to seriously do better in the future. there is a ton of focus on this board outside at charts and so on--but the real battle is inside. when you are asking for other people's opinions on your trade--something is emotional someplace. more to the point? ok i would ask yourself this--if you were me what would you tell you? eg rather than asking others what they think--put your self in their position and ask yourself what you would tell you from another perspective. non of us can really know what is best.
good luck whatever you chose--and above all learn from this trade--if you get what it's trying to tell you the loss is cheap at 200k. (the value of the trade is how you perceive and use the experience--not the money either way--if some one takes a huge loss and learns--they will make money in the future--whereas those who fail to learn will make money and then just lose it.)